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willjamesgodd Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
I know I’m late on the argument but I feel that you were too harsh. Jollyjack does do a fair few pin-ups but that is because he ENJOYS doing them. He does this account to entertain himself and like minded people. I probably would not have followed him if pinups were all he did. I like mainly his jokes and the sequential art series.

You say Jollyjack is not an artist, as all his work is commercial. Commercial work is work made to be sold en-masse, and much of his art is not for sale, just on deviant art to be looked at and enjoyed. You say art has to evoke emotion and explore something, without sexual content? They may not be as common but I have listed the pieces of work I feel could easily fall into this category. Just type them into the search bar.

First, Environment - Art that explores location, varying perspective and style. Please note that whilst the line art stays similar, colouring, perspective and general appearance do not, line style does not matter if you can effectively present to a client or audience the feel and scale of what you’re drawing.

Airship City, Space Station, Skull Atoll, Bacchus Atoll, Angel International - Part 1, Abyss, City Gates ,Mysterious Woman in the rain, Storm Front, LOG's factory, Run, Banjo. Run, Bridget across rooftops, What's in mah boot?, Fallout - Charred Albion

Characters – I may include female characters, even nude, if they are presented to describe personality and style, rather than titillate. My comments about style and line work apply to this list too.

Bookshop, Dia Montreal, Mermaid Warrior., Wardrobe, Kite, Motel, Watching, Skything, Steel Blossom - Colour, Washroom, Stroll, Lamp

At this point I feel the list is getting rather long so I’ve boiled the following down to my 20 best examples, as varied as possible.

Leaf Pixi, Chief, Moroccan Rush (all pages), Danger Mouse, My Card, Wilfred, The Black Adder, Centurion, The Hooke Institute, Conrad Hurtz, Battle of Arras - colour,
Vigilante, Bobbing in the waves., Banjo, Little Victory, Faith - Colour Scheme,
Desmond Pride, Bash Doodles 2009, Akkrid, Kat's Friday Song.

Finally the photos and funnies, both of which can be accessed at the gallery menu.
Humour is an art, it takes skill to make people laugh and most of the pinups are humorous, intended to amuse more than titillate. Concerning your comment on pinheads, the main character like that is Elli, and is drawn like that on purpose, the body has grown but the head hasn’t, it gives a sense of scale when there is not a backdrop or contrasting character. The other characters are mostly well proportioned, with the head roughly a seventh of the length of the body. Many cartoon heads are oversized. Jollyjack’s main problem is legs, which he often does too thick and long, he has mentioned this and is improving, you can see a marked difference from his previous work.

I think now you could appreciate this guy as an artist, even if not all he produces is fine art.
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Shrapnel-Jones Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't say commercial was en-masse. I said commercial was meant to make anybody look at it and think "ok neat a picture, I like it because it looks unique, yet at the same time the overall tone of it is something I've seen before." Cartooning tends to be like that. I never questioned his motives for doing his work, only that encouraging ignorance towards motives of OTHERS' work was something I wasn't sitting right with.

I didn't say sexual themes were something that negated whether or not something could be considered art. Fine art uses it to bring about a representation or ideal for humanity in works, or to show the natural beauty of a subject.

On considering art, I never said he wasn't an artist either. I'm not sure if I ever tried to establish that non-museum art isn't art (and if I did then goddamn I fucked up); I just said he had no place to talk about something he clearly showed a lack of respect for.

The key to fine art is a simple basis of understanding, and a want TO understand. It's not at all hard to do, but for some reason people, ESPECIALLY pretentious cartoonists, stylized artists, etc. have some bizarre contempt for what they consider to be "a bunch of pointless stupid shit that anyone could do" without thinking as to WHY it's a success, WHY people appreciate it.
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CRAZED20 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Saying someone has no place to talk about something is downright shallow and simple minded. Everyone has the right to share their opinion. A better use of your time would be acting like an adult and moving on rather than spend so much time battling what you found so "offensive". I wouldn't bother normally, I just can't stand the air of arrogance in your posts.
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willjamesgodd Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2010
Ok I see, but I don't think he was having ago at fine artists in general. there was one particular "fine artist" who was mouthing off to him about a particular piece of work and his parody looks similar to the artist, it was very grim and depressive. not so much fine art as emo painting (no offense). You can see in the photo section that he does apreciate art, he has many photos and the comments on those pieces are quite serious.

You see my point about your pinheads comment being invalid though? and that jollyjacks art isn't really that limited by his style.
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willjamesgodd Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
Ok misunderstanding there, now I see what you mean by pinheads, but I contest that the guy is a cartoonist, most cartoon characters have oversized heads, as the focus is on the expression and motion of the character, which takes priority over perfect proportions. in cartoons, if it works, use it.
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willjamesgodd Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2010
drawings with realist proportion heads.

Revised Vigilante
Stahl
Wilfred - Circa 1920
The Penguin
RIP - Frank Frazetta
Goodcat Construction
Etc.

He can do correct heads quite easily and does when his focus shifts from cartoon humour to character design and demonstration.
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SexyBlackGuy Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2010
D-D-D-UUH, YUE JUSS JELUSS!!
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StormTank Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010
You rule! Love it all, the Top Gear stuff and the Black Books pic are coll, and you love Stardust as well!! I bow at your awesome feet man!
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Jesterofsorrow Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2011
yo man his stuff has some funny shit dont it lol
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StormTank Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010
...dammit wheres the Fav All option...
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