And yet no one really looked into any of what Obama has done. Read the full text for ObamaCare. The bad out ways the good. Remember all those things people bitched about Bush doing? Yeah, he's done most of them to a more severe degree. Plus, put us further in debt with China (and everyone else). So, no sigh of relief here.
what people fail to realize is the election is basically rigger. why do I say this, because of the electoral Collage.
why is the Electoral Collage a bad thing? simple, it rewards people for living in certain areas, and punishes others for living and other certain areas. Allow me to explain.
If you look at the popular vote, which is a showing of the total number of vote for each candadent (IE telling you who more people actually voted for) you'll see that of all the 60 Million votes cast, more of them were cast for Romney, indeed he had MORE votes for him then Obama.
So why did Obama win if Romney had more votes cast for him? The Electoral Collage is why. Why is that?
Each state is divided into Electoral districts, based on population, and based on population, each state is giving so many electoral votes. This means a State like Florida, which has a fairly sizable population, will have more electoral votes then a state like Road Island. Now, you might say this makes sense, and for the most part it does, but there is a bit of an issue.
When it comes time for an election for president, people go and vote, they cast their vote and their district gets either a red color or blue, depending on who gets more votes, Rep or Dem, and once the whole state is tallied up, whoever had the most votes in that state gets ALL the state's Votes. As a result, for example in Ohio, plenty of people, nearly 50%, votes for Romney, however because slightly more voted for Obama, the entire state's votes went to Obama, and all those votes for Romney are basically tossed in the trash as they become worthless.
Thus, because you live in a state that has a large Dem population, if you're Rep your votes are basically null-n-void, and they migh as well have never been cast. The same is true for States that pull Rep if you're a Dem, sorry you're pretty much shit out of luck. As a result, quite literally MILLIONS of Votes that are cast as being ignored, on both sides of the race. No matter how you slice it, that is wrong. But because of the Electoral collage, that is how it is.
Now then, so why did this allow Obama to win? simple, because the majority of people who pulled for Obama tend to live within the major cities, and in densely populated areas, while a lot of the people who pulled for Romney tended to be those who live in the country side and in small towns. as a result, many of the largest states, like California that have a huge populous, carry a large number of electoral votes and so have a lot of pushing power, while the less populated states literally amount to nothing overall. and within states that are so called 'battle ground' states, the fact of where one's vote base lives affects everything.
Take Florida for example, if you look at a map denoting the electoral districts, and showing the way each district went, you'll see that a large part of Florida is red, while only a handful of the districts are blue, however because those few districts are huge population centers, they caused the State to pull Obama. that means that the majority of the state itself is being ignored in favor of a few cities, namely Miami, Jacksonville, and Orlando.
three cities can move the needle in a state one way? and as a result can void the rest of the States Votes? You cannot look at me and tell me that is right.
but anyways because the system is set up in which a way, quite literally millions and millions of votes are cast aside because those voters simply didn't live in the right area. Obama's voter base is mostly concentrated in Population centers, and so cause the major population centers that carry so much weight in the current system to go in his favor, and those population centers can easily win the election for him.
So yes. I've given a rather long explanation about the electoral collage and why because of it, Obama one the Election when Romney technically had the 51% of the total votes cast.
That may be true, but I'd like to point two things out. First, the electors are, on the most part, fully at their liberty to choose whichever candidate they like. The fact that they usually go with the popular vote, well, I can't speak for that. And second, statistically speaking, republicans are considerably more likely to vote than democrats. It's not just 'because', it's the type of people each party attract. Because of that, it's ridiculous to say that based on there being more democrats in a state a republican vote is rendered void. Plus, I think we can agree that people usually either don't know what's good for them, or want what's bad for them.(You can deny it if you like, plenty have. But first give some thought to junk food, drugs, using up natural resources, etc) That should be reason enough not to go on popular vote alone.
you don't seem to understand though. Let me put it this way. Say you're in a class at school, and that class is voting on who they want for their class president. Now, normally, whoever got more votes wins, that's common sense. So if there are 50 people in the class, whoever gets 26 votes (which would be 51% needed to be the majority) would win. In the presidential election, that is what the popular vote is, a tally of EVERY vote cast, from every state.
Now what the electoral collage does is says ok, the students who are sitting in the front now their vote counts for 4 votes because according to them, good students who get As sit up front so they matter more, and the students who sit on the left side well they count for 2 votes each, while those in the far back are supposidly bad students who don't do their work, so they only count for 1 vote. Because of the Electoral collage, now it doesn't matter who had more people voting for them, because if everyone in the back of the class, and to the left voted on one person, and the front voted on the other, the front's votes will add up to more then the back and left combined. That is why the Electoral collage is wrong.
The collage also says that if your state pulls for say Dem, and you voted Rep, you vote very much doesn't matter, because your states electoral votes went to the Dem, and your Rep votes are basically ignored with no value at all, this holds true the other way around, and Dem votes in a State who's electoral votes went to the Rep are basically worthless as well
simply put, if you take what each person got in the Popular vote, which is the total number of votes nation wide period cast for them, then subtract from that number all the votes that were cast for them in a state that went to the other guy, you'll end up with a number showing you just how many actual votes on both sides were effectively counted to determine the winner.
What I'm saying is whoever 51% or more of the votes are cast for should be the winner, and the 'popularity' vote, which is just that, a number showing all the votes and who they went to,says in this case Romney had the 51% or more, but because of the Electoral collage, Obama got in. the electoral collage is something that is not needed in out election system because we ALREADY count EVERY vote as it is to tell you what the 'popularity' vote is, we already know where each and every vote cast went to, so the Electoral collage serves no purpose other then to disenfranchise a large part of the voter base simply based on where they live, and to empower a handful of States to be considered 'more important' just because they have a voter base that's very much a 50/50 split. Unless you live in a quote 'battleground state' your vote's fate is already pre determined because the rest of the states are pretty well set in stone as a large part of their populous is to one side or the other. You can see this in some states even in this very close election, some states were as far as 60/40% or even as far as 70/30% in favor of one side or the other, but no one even mentions this because those states always go in favor of that side, always. That's why such things as 'battleground states' exist, because both sides basically have X number of votes in the bag as it, and they only need to convince these couple of states that aren't definite for one side or the other. i very much say it's wrong that 3 states can hold so much importance that they alone can decide who wins. it should be a state by state thing, it should be a vote by vote thing, and whoever gets more votes should be the winner, just like in a Class President Election.
I'm a bit shocked it was as close as it is. I think people failed to realize just how hard it is to get laws passed, it's not just said and done and things take time. That and the competing party is a bloody maniac.
As a college student at a private art school, I am relieved that Obama won. I don't hate Romney and I have nothing against him, but if he won he would have destroyed government aid for student and crushed my chances for graduating.
haven't you guys figured out the pattern yet??? since Reagan each party gets two terms a piece... Count 'em.... Reagan had 2, Bush had 2, Clinton had 2, Lil' Bush even had 2 and now.... Obama has his 2.... see the pattern? I know it's difficult.... but if you look carefully you will see it.... a system based on an electoral system that rounds off the number of given votes.... and the results come as a suprise?? lolz enjoy the fireworks!!!
I work at cabelas and the today, the 7 of november, we sold over 100,000 dollars in ammo to people who thought the world would end. four years ago, the same thing happened, four years later, i predict something simmilar. If we don't start a civil war
Well, what happened is clear. The conservatives failed to convince the American public that they were capable of leading the country; It's that simple.
As for you Jack, the reason I frown at you over this whole affair is that your behaviour has been as immature as it was during your rant at Michael Bay over the TMNT movie. I don't care who wins, because I'm smart enough to know there's always going to be good and bad in both sides of politics. It always comes down to who can look like the stronger leader. You're just biased against the Republican party, which is stupid, and makes you look hypocritical, considering what you've said in the past. You still have a lot of growing up to do.
Americans love their politics-- especially the part about hating their enemies. We don't love our nation, but we sure are proud of all the things we hate.
Our voting lines are literally drawn in half. Half of this nation hates the man currently in charge. This itself is normal. But the recent campaigning has sewn so much hatred, partially from the blatantly-propagandized media and partly from the politicians themselves, that I fear there are many who would openly harm this nation for the sake of insulting their opposed political party--EITHER political party. They would do so under the belief that they were actually supporting their nation-- "saving" their nation.
That Englishmen even give a SHIT who we elect blows my mind. You know, of course, that Romney's campaign was officially dead when Big Bird went on SNL? We grew up with The Bird..., you wanna pull his plug, your ass is soooo gone....
"Good god! Not only have you spawned forth a bipartisan system, but your latest election was between a negro and a merman? How in blazes can this Romney fellow govern the country if he can't even breathe out of water?" - George Washington
After reading all these political debates in the comments I feel the need to point out one thing;
Why do you only have two parties?
If you must choose the lesser of two evils and most americans aren't happy with the current politics why are there not more options? Your country is divided by your politics. If you have more parties, for instance a party for each state (not necessarily representing each state) then you'd have more options on leadership, a good leader might have more of a chance getting elected and it would be no different from the unity of all the states operating under one government. You are the "UNITED states of America", no? All this this arguing over red and blue when as far as you know white is better, or black, or purple or green.
If you don't like how your country is operating, then go do something about it. It may seem an overwhelming task, but if you've got enough ants you can take a grown man down.
We have other parties, Libertarian and Green to name a few. The trouble is, they can't seem to get any real traction in the political scene - "Democrat" and "Republican" are just too well-entrenched, and too well-funded by their various supporters. As it stands, election years give us a nice color-coded map of which states are which variety of insane.
(Believe me, I WISH we could collectively clean the House and get some better options in there, but it feels like nothing short of open revolution would accomplish that these days.)