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Well…..that was immature drivel.

I don’t know a huge amount about the “New 52” take on the DC universe (I stopped paying attention to DC’s output when they changed their logo to look like a half-unwrapped Acme magnet) but if the Justice League: War animation is any kind of summary, I’m glad I’ve not wasted my time.

Batman now seems to think it’s impolite if he doesn’t tell everyone who he is, Wonder Woman has taken to talking like a really, really bad Shakespearean actor and Superman is a dick.

Ignoring the animation’s terrible narrative, what struck me like a rancid kipper in the face was how god-awful the character designs were. In this instance; particularly Darkseid’s. Yeah, he wore a bucket on his head in the past, but it worked! It added to his menace as a laser-firing brick of doom. You took one look at him and you knew who he was.
Watch Superman/Batman: Apocalypse. THAT version of Darkseid is an iconic badass.
In JL:War, he’s a forgettable Christmas Tree.

It’s the same with Wonder Woman’s new, bling-free cozzy and Supeman’s blue romper-suit. They’re all just so bland.

Change for the sake of change is always a bad idea, especially if the designs you’re f**king around with have 70 years of development behind them. It doesn’t matter how talented the artist charged with the task is; you can’t just alter an icon overnight. You end up with the overworked crap we see in the “New 52”.

That this “New 52” garbage exists at all supports what I’ve said about both DC and Marvel for years, now: they don’t make comics. They don’t tell stories. They’re advertisers. Everything they do is written off as such by their parent companies. Their job is just to keep their IP on the shelves and in the public eye so that they can peddle the next movie/game/lunchbox that features those characters.
If that wasn’t what they do, they’d leave their tired old pantheon fallow for a few years and come up with some new characters and new mythologies, rather than brutalise what they already have in their stable via a botched "revitalisation".
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MartinElMartian Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
I kinda have mixed feelings about the new 52.  They took a dump on some of my favorite characters like Tim Drake and Booster Gold.  However, I did like what they did to Aquaman.
TheRavensBastard39 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I'm serious....Justice League War was shit. 
jollyjack Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014
Posting the same comment over and over is spamming. Quit it.
TheRavensBastard39 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
While I very strongly disagree with you about Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Thor, I do have that Justice League: War sucked dead horse vaginas. 
TheRavensBastard39 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
*have to admit that.
TheRavensBastard39 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
the only New 52 titles that I think are great comics are Batman and Wonder Woman...and Legends of the Dark Knight and Harley Quinn. that is all
weird-coma Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Yeah, not a big fan of the new 52.  I gave it a chance but its been over a year now and, well, it sucks.  The changes to the characters did nothing to improve them, and in a lot of instances made them just horrible.  This is the Jim Lee Wildstorm version of DC, and as much as I love that mans art, He can't write for shit.

I can deal with the costume changes, but for the love of god, the character changes are vomit inducing.  The ruined Tim Drake, Bart Allen, pretty much ALL of the Teen Titans actually.  There are now 5 human Green Lanterns, FIVE...I mean the list of this shit goes on.

All so they could fold Wildstorm into the DCU? Geez.

Anyway, well said sir.
tigerfangart Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014
I feel Marvel's got plenty of good story-driven material out there - it's just not found in the "event du jour" titles too often.  Brian Michael Bendis's has really turned it around after leaving the Avengers behind and picking up some of the X-Men books and the Guardians of the Galaxy.  Kelly Sue DeConnick on Captain Marvel has made Carol Danvers top tier and there's a good reason for that.  There's strong storytelling to be found, if you keep a discerning eye open.  
SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Gonna save everyone some time by leaking Jollyjack's review of the new Robocop:
:iconrageguyplz::iconsaysplz:*bitch* *moan* *whine* *foot stomp *rage*
Ultrarex123Ver-2 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014  Student Writer
What are you talking about? He praised it...
nightcrawlerfan19 Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2014  Student General Artist
Generally, I'd agree with you, but there are a few improvements in the New 52. I also agree that Darkseid's and Superman's outfits aren't improvements. I mostly agree on you assessment of Wonder Woman, but I do like her new hairdo. 
CKentavr Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2014
Actually, the designs you're calling iconic were designed by a guy in the 90s for the first translation into animation and kid's books.

They were supposed to be iconic, but they were just as tossed off by an artist as these were - except he went through and drew every hero and their major villains he thought they might encounter in his designs.
nubarq Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i will have to say i agree and disagree heavily in some areas.

Wonderwoman- i can now tolerate her as she is no longer so annoying as bitch wonderwoman from the past always harping about how the man has her "sisters" in the constant scurge of men.

Batman/Superman- both at this point would amuse me if they died.  superman is always a dick and batman has been driven into the ground  so bad he should be mole man by now.  superman's face looked better and batman was more creative an idea even though he should really hit the bench for a while with superman.

Cyborg- refreshing and very creative but emensly overpowered.  all i gotta say,.. it was refreshing to see some actual creativity there.

Flash- he was,.. always as he has ever been.  i dont think they have it in them to change flash so much-

Darkside- the design was okay where the size was not.  i get that he is larger than life i really do.  but that sonna bitch was 25-50 feet tall and it wasnt consistant throughout the movie.  good enemy but this time he was no different from that of a hive of killer bees.

anyone else i forgot was probobly because they suck too much to even remember.  it has been a week since i seen this movie but i remember it being vastly more refreshing than the other shit.  love the willingness to go more mature,.. the child shit gets old.
NomDeCheval Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Professional General Artist
I could not agree more with this. And they haven't even been consistent in their own concepts, at least initially, with teams not knowing what the others were doing. I especially hated the fact that they had several different teams working on the same books initially, and then only chose the one they liked the best, without letting everyone know that was what was happening. Seemed like a classless move to me.

But, I'm old. I'm not their target audience anymore. They want to appeal to kids with an attention span of...hey, what's that shiny thing? I'll be right back.
beachhead1973 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
I got into comics just after identity crisis; i got out of superhero comics in the main following the aftermath of 52 and civil war, et al and Captain American coming back to life. it was a huge slap in the face; all that money I put into stories that no longer mattered?

Fuck that.
SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dying in a comic book, means about as much as a facebook like.
SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
New 52 was a pretty awful idea. But I did find JL: War at least mildly entertaining. But in my defense, I was enjoying some Mickey's malt liquor at the time.
Gortogs Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
Well, good news is that from what I've heard, nearly every fan pretty universally considers Justice League: War to be horrible.  It's actually impressive that in a fandom known for arguing so much that DC has managed to create a single unified position held by just about everyone: War is garbage. 

demunlawin Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
 New 52 is for the "New, Younger Generation," that's what their doing right now, garnering new fans and obsoleting the older fans perceptions and loyalty!!!
SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As much as I dislike New 52, us older fans just weren't paying the bills apparently.
darkecofreak23 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Student Writer
Yeah, I never was a big DC fan, but I was pissed to find out what happened to all the heroes. Supes is a dick, like you said. Batman lost the thing that made him Batman, and my favorite Titan, Starfire, will now nail anything that moves, but she does it with all the excitement of watching paint dry. I like the toon Star, the perpetually fascinated and somewhat naive girl who had a shoulder for her friends to cry on and a starbolt to light her enemies' asses on fire.
mrbrain30 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
Watched the movie. It's really, really bad. There are no plot, things happen randomly, the whole thing is just a big mess.
VeryZenn Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
The Wonder Woman comic is pretty good.  Of course a big part of that is that you can only tell she's in the DC Universe because that's where she is.  Everything else I have read I no longer read.  Which puts them one book up on Marvel but it isn't saying much.  Someday maybe they'll figure out that the comics can be fun, kid friendly but not FOR kids.  As it stands Comics are a shambling corpse that can only feed on itself.  At least the Marvel movies tend to amuse me.

Real shame about DC in that regard.  They can make a decent movie to save their company.
dinshino Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014

You should see what they've done to Starfire. She's now  brainless "aloof" bimbo wth little personality. Admittedly, I haven't bothered reading wit DC comic books since that's happened, so maybe they redacted that and made it Blackfire taking her place again or something.


I think the only decent thing I've seen DC put out in the last few years was the Young Justice cartoon. And they screwed up the Joker in that.

DarkoMyuustuuJuanez Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
The biggest problem with new 52 is that it has done so little to consolidate the new universe
They just told us its a reboot withoit really building a real new universe. Green lantern bookshave basically continued the story geoff has been telling for years, while every other character has suddenly only been a superhero for a few years. Any new book that has any fresh ideas is cancled within months. Dispite claiming to want new readers, they continue to shill out to lowest common denominators and pandering to the already existing fanbase which hates all of thier terrible changes. And the rampant objectification of women...
Apollolykeios Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014

I am an old-school DC fan but Superman was always a dick:

Haru-chii Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
My main experience with DC was the old DCAU series. That will be the DC I have fond memories of, and from what I read about how DC has stated they're catering to middle-aged comic fans, and all that bullshit with making it darker, grimmer, and killing off Wally...

I am so glad I don't read comics. From the way DC is writing their stuff, they don't give jack shit about their characters, and are alienating their audience in the process. At least Marvel actually seems to give a damn.
ClockwerkSoul Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
DC has royally screwed the pooch with this 'New 52' crap. For every one of the good ideas that seem to trickle out, it is covered by mounds and mounds of crappy stories. Now it seems to have seeped into their TV shows and movies. The characters are wholly unlikable, the setting too dark and depressing, the stories are dark and stupid, and the costumes. Good lord, the costumes. I may draw like shit but I'm pretty sure I could draw more coherent and noticeable costumes than they could. 

On a more positive note, I've been picking up online issues of 'Little Victory' and actually enjoying that more than whatever DC is putting out. Characters are great, the artwork is fun and the world building is just mind-boggling. Bringing in the history of the world where the story begins, mostly focusing on the one-shot story, and developing it in a manner that makes sense is high marks right there. Even though this will be a limited series, it is still turning into an enjoyable one.
FSEffect Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
I like the New 52
MakoCrab Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I totally agree, and won't go near the NEW 52. But for all the fans that are pissed at the changes, for all creators that were driven away by DC, for all, ALL the negative publicity coming out of DC, somehow their numbers are still up. What the fuck??? If people hate it so much, then stop fucking buying it!! But no. People keep buying in the hopes that it'll get better, or whatever. Or there's a few good stories that make it out now and then, so they keep buying in the hopes that more good will come. I don't know. I'd like to see DC suffer some kind of financial backlash for their total clusterfucking of every comic in their stable, but it doesn't seem to ever happen.
mrfuzzynutz Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
WOW..Welcome to the party my friend. I have been complaining about the New 52 since day one. From the beginning it seemed like a unorganized half assed business choice to make the change..And it's the changes that killed the final product with the relaunch.

I had to shut it off when Flash hid behind Superman..I was done. lol

I will have to wait another 10 years until the reboot everything again to get my heroes back I guess
Jester-Mazoku Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
One thing that gets me is how so many good DC and Marvel series have been stripped down then the characters recast into teenage highschool dramas, or dumb down with little plot content and given a poor animation paint job.

Some of the Justice League movies are not that bad, I like how they remained more adult oriented compared to the series, but I have to agree with you on batman.
Superman was originally a Canadian's creation, and as with everything Americans have to change it and say they created it. So no surprise there.
But for batman, he used to be intelligent, cold shouldered, yet capable of emotions and having some feelings for someone. let it be a close friend or romantic interest, or simply someone pulled onto the bad side of the law do to circumstances and poor judgment. 

Now batman this dark, silent, "I don't trust any body and they shouldn't trust me", backstabbing, ego filled "the world rests on my shoulders if all else fails" super hero who is bitter about not having special powers, saying his intelligent and gadgets have to help him keep up with the rest of the team, and without their permission he secretly came up with detailed plans on how to compassionate the rest of the justice league in extremely violent ways.  
Oh and let's not forget Batman's original morals of "Refuses to kill anybody and hates guns", now he's like "lets leave the bad guy for dead." 

Superman, yeah it's turned into a bit of an ass. He doesn't want anyone getting hurt so he treats everyone as if they are weaker then himself, yet let Batman and wonder woman push him around and he caves to their wishes. 

Wonder woman... when some of the new movies fist started coming out they made her too much of a feminist. It was hard to pay attention to one movie where she was helping an (rebel?)army of woman fight against men in war spouting anti-male feminist bullshit.  I found it appalling and I am a woman.

DragonCount Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Far as I'm concerned; D.C.'s been dead since Countdown and Marvel died for me come One More Day. In fact the only comic character I openly like anymore is Ghost Rider due to being slightly more obscure from public domain, other than the Nicholas Cage movies.
Direka Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
There's actually a lot of good in the New 52. War is a pretty shit movie and fucks with the character designs something awful, but don't let that turn you off from the few good things in the revamp.

The New 52 Wonder Woman book is the best damn run the character has ever had.
reddragon1413 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I was curious about the "new 52"(especially with the villain comics) also but this movie showed me that DC took all my miniscule knowledge of the characters and threw it out the window. As someone who doesn't know much about the cherecters too begin with this change just ostracized me from them.
DaveoOzWizard Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
Oh with Marvel the newer characters they create are killed of for shock value to further the stories of the immortal Icons....or left to limbo even as fans call for their return.
willcraft Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Convince Alan Moore to write a new 52 story. Maybe that will help....
jollyjack Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
Alan Moore A) hates super heroes, and B) is insane.
willcraft Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
maybe a madman is exactly what is needed.... On a more serious note, I hate how justice league war seemed to mock itself. Superman vs the elite is my favorite DC animated film because it gave us an unironically idealistic godlike alien who wore his underpants outside of his trousers and made me take him seriously. I don't like the fact that all modern media has to be so self aware and self critical.
KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2014
I agree big time, the new 52 sucks & JL War is the worst DC animated film period & drives home how bad the reboot truly is >_<

1) Batman has become the biggest Gary Stu possible, winning fist fights with parademons portrayed as being strong enough to grapple with & withstand attacks from superpowered individuals like Superman & Green Lantern. Hell, Batman is even fast & agile enough to dodge attacks from Superman, WHO HAS SUPER SPEED & REFLEXES. Keep in mind, Bats does all of this without the use of an exosuit or exploiting any of Superman's weaknesses, he's untouchable

2) Superman is now an arrogant tool, the exact opposite of the responsible, humble, likable voice of reason he used to be.

3) Wonder Woman acts like a clueless ditz who can't seem to understand that its NOT NORMAL OR SANE to swing a sword at someone when you're talking to them. I know she's an amazonian warrior, but there's no way she didn't learn that pointing blades at innocent bystanders and allies is unacceptable behavior. Keep in mind she's supposed to be an ambassador of peace for the amazons, an ambassador who blows off meetings with the president to eat ice cream and scare the shit out of people. Oh, & she instantly falls for Superman after seeing how strong he is >_<

4) Green Lantern, Hal Jordon, is now the Krillin of the team, he's always made to look bad in order to make the other heroes look better by comparison....BATMAN STEALS HIS RING RIGHT OFF HIS FINGER >_<

5) Captain Marvel is now called....Shazam...The magic word he uses to change back & forth between normal & super hero form >_<. He doesn't bring anything unique to the team, since it already has several hotheads who don't think before they act, and Superman & Wonder Woman cover the physical power house & supernatural being powered by mythological figures

6) Cyborg's new origin makes him look stupid for screwing around with a dangerous piece of technology he didn't understand just because his jerk of a dad didn't go to his football game. That's like sticking a fork in an electrical socket just because you're in a bad mood. Doesn't help of course that the new 52 erased his history as a titan (as well as that of all the titans).

7) Flash, normally the funniest of the heroes, is blandest of them all by far, & for some reason acts like he doesn't remember Batman even though he clearly did at the end of Flashpoint Paradox, which War is supposed to be connected to...How do they screw up the continuity that quickly?

8) The power levels of the parademons are hard to gage & Darkseid has no personality at all, he's just a big brute who barely speaks a word & has none of the evil charisma or menace Darkseid is usually associated with...Oh, & implying that the sequel will feature the league fighting Atlanteans after they already beat the biggest, baddest evil force in the DC universe is really underwhelming.
MattDark Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
I have to agree, I tried a lot of the New 52, but gave up on most of it.  The only one I have carried on with is the stand-alone Wonder Woman series.  And that's only because so far (I'm up to book 3 right now), its kept itself separate from all the other series, not convoluting the plot with crossovers, or prompts to read issue # of other DC comic to explain why a character has shown up and is currently fighting against/alongside the lead character.
TheLastOutlaw Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I can't argue with any of that however 5) has a basis for existing outside the realm of DC canon. You know the shitty Captain Marvel character that Marvel comics brings back every few years just to kill off again? Because years ago the Captain Marvel name lapsed into the public domain Marvel continues to use a character with the same name just often enough to legally hold the title hostage. To get around this DC has marketed their Captain with Shazam until the general public who doesn't know any better think the character IS Shazam. Apparently DC has now given up and have decided to just go with the flow. I'm not saying that makes it any better, but does provide it with some perspective.
KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
So even though DC has called their character Captain Marvel as recently as the Young Justice series, they just decide to just give up on his name altogether just like that even though they had the rights to it? What about the rest of the Marvel family? Mary Marvel & what not?...Sorry if I'm missing something, gotta hate comic market politics ):

P.S. if they HAD to change his name, why not call him Captain Thunder like in the Paradox movie? Not a great name but it sounds better than Shazam & sounds like a name a kid would give a super hero persona...Heck, I suppose even Mr. Marvel or Billy Marvel would work (so Mary Marvel can keep her name for example)
Saboguitar Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
Actually had Mary Marvel shown up in YJ, she would have been called "Sergant Marvel" however they ended up not having the time to put her in.

Regardless though Mary HAS shown up in new 52 (repowered at that, so points for the new 52 for that. Last we saw her in the old universe she was homeless and depowered thanks to her antics in Final Crisis. Tempest and Aquagirl are also back, albeit they've only appeared as cameos thus far so a few more points as well.) and she's still called Mary Marvel. Granted like Billy she's gotten a bit of an attitude now as opposed to her formerly overly sweet nature. You get the feeling DC is ashamed of the cheesyness they were known for as it clashes with their new srs take on everything that comics have had since past 2000.

As for Shazam....I dunno, I guess since the book was called that for so long (and Shazam is what he's known for. Most casual people who only know him from the older stories and tv serials think Shazam was his name in the first place) they decided to go with that.

He was Captain Marvel in Young Justice, but that was produced before the new 52 and in season 2 I don't think he was named. Meanwhile DC Universe Online renamed him to Shazam in one of the post new 52 updates.
Saboguitar Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
Ms Marvel recently started calling herself Captain Marvel and getting a titled series around the same time DC renamed him.

I think something legal happened behind the scenes and now Marvel has the complete Captain Marvel trademark.
LoneStranger Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah I had a bad feeling about DC Comics overhauling everything they had ever done, and now it's gotten to the animation so I'll have to stop getting those movies.
KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014
Its sucks doesn't it? For the longest time I could proudly say that while Marvel makes better live action films, DC makes better animated films and shows...Then they canceled Young Justice & kept that crappy teen titans Go show around (which is basically a pale shadow of the original Teen Titans cartoon), & now after many great animated films they're now trying to force the new 52 on us even outside of the comics...Sigh.

The animated films are clearly geared towards older fans, so you'd think they'd continue to make films based off classic DC stories & characters that we know and love rather than the new 52. I mean, nearly all of their films so far have been Batman, Superman, or Justice League films, with only two green lantern films & one wonderwoman film, there's still so many characters they could make stories for, like Marv Wolfman's teen titans (& lord knows Wonder Woman deserves another movie).
LoneStranger Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah I know, Beware the Batman was decent and it's apparently gone now too.

I kinda thought this would happen someday, since most of the movies are based on the comic books.  Eventually with the comics switching over to a terrible idea the animated movies would get that about...what...3 years later?
On2XSecretProbation Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Wonder Woman in the real New 52 is amazing just to be clear.
Duoae Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2014
B-but... Superman *IS* a dick!

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